Lee have you read the last news on the four murdered men in Lybia. The Republicans in congress decided to lower protection of our embasseys. Not me, not you but congress. As a result they killed Chris Steves and the three other men. End of story. Read more dear.

Anne -

What Joe Biden said was a flat-out lie. See this video from the recent testimony about the murder of the 4 Americans.

http://youtu.be/1LRKGOrRkT4

While security was being cut in Benghazi, Libya, which had zero to do with Paul Ryan, the Obama administration was outfitting the Vienna embassy with Chevy Volts.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/101212-629252-vienna-got-chevy-volts-while-benghazi-cut.htm

Priorities...

Actually, post debate factchecking shows that Biden was far more truthful than Ryan last night.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/veep-debate-violations/

Nice job citing a liberal fact check source there Watts -

The AP destroys Biden over his claims http://yhoo.it/WbXVPr

Sadly, FactCheck.org doesn't cover Biden's lies over
* Murder of 4 Americans in Libya
* Medicare and the $716 B that reduces payments to Doctor's & Hospitals (rationing?)
* Biden's vote FOR the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq (he said he was against them)
* The Obama administration which is forcing religious institutions to provide contraceptive and abortion drugs through their insurance policies.

and more...

Is politifact maybe a better source...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/11/fact-checking-vice-presidential-debate-between-joe/

No matter how you dice it or slice it, Biden was more truthful through the whole debate that Ryan.

Biden showed his care for the working class. Clearly we are a majority. Therefore in my hardworking female opinion he won. Not that it would sway my vote. I made up my mind years ago how I would always vote. I doubt it will change and now that I'm of medicare age I am worried about end of life things.

Under ObamaCare, it takes $716 billion out of Medicare. This means that the Government will be repaying Doctors and Hospitals pennies on the dollar.

As various fact checkers have noted, this will burden hospitals so much that as much as 15% of hospitals would close under the plan and many Doctors will stop taking Medicare patients as some have done in Alexandria.

This will cause increased waiting times for Seniors and as many medical professionals have said, will cause death rates to rise.

So, as a Senior, I would be extremely worried about Medicare under Obama.

Anne -

Paul Ryan, as he clearly stated last night, is 100% for abortion in the case of rape or incest as is Romney.

Anne,I'm so sorry for what happened to your sister, and to you, for as you say, the entire family is the victim. But thank you for sharing this. It needs to be said. Sometimes women who seek abortions are portrayed only as young single promiscuous women who don't take care of themselves. If men were the ones to get pregnant the discussion would be different. It is exactly this sort of insensitivity to women that makes me disgusted with the Republican party, particularly with their personhood bills and "legitimate" or "forceable" rape definitions. They want smaller government unless it has to do with women and sex. I think it is their way of trying to control women. I'm so very sorry for your sister and your family.

Lee, Ryan co sponsored bills with Todd Aiken to outlaw abortion in all instances. This is his stance. He may have caved to Romney's latest position but if he were to become president, I dare say he would return to his disgusting and outrageous positions.

@Carol -

Many of the bills Congressman Ryan proposed with Congressman Akin were bills that would restrict government funding and declare that states have the right to protect life beginning at fertilization. It's called state's rights (which is why the Supreme Court was 100% wrong on Roe v Wade). While Congressman Ryan opposes abortions in all cases except for when the life of the mother is at stake, who is going to set policy in a Romney/Ryan administration?

Unlike this administration due to its lack of leadership at the top, it will most certainly be Romney.

Mr. Romney had said, unequivocally at times, that a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape. What they will do, hopefully, is end subsidizing of abortion. As the Susan G Komen flap from earlier in the year showed, Planned Parenthood would survive without Federal funding just like Big Bird would.

Joe Biden claims Planned Parenthood, under the law, can't perform abortions...

http://redalexandriava.com/2012/10/12/joe-biden-planned-parenthood-cannot-perform-abortions-video/

Lee, Under the Hite amendment there is and has been no government subsidy of abortion. Many of Ryan/Aiken's bills had to do with defining rape to be only "legitimate" or "forcible" as if a woman doesn't know when she's been raped. Rape is rape, period. It's still a matter of choice and of not allowing the government to say what we women can and cannot do with our bodies. Once again, you seem to forget that Ryan would be a heartbeat away from the presidency on day one, so it doesn't matter to me that Romney would set the policy. And Romney has trouble remembering what he's said from one day to the next, but then claims to stand by whatever it was he said. Geesh.

I agree with you Keith. You forgot one additional Biden and Obama trait...arrogance.

Anne -

I guess you forget that the President is half-white?

As this video below shows, the State Department, under testimony, admitted budget cuts played no part in the lack of security at the Benghazi consulate which got Ambassador Stevens & 3 others murdered due to negligence by this administration.

http://youtu.be/1LRKGOrRkT4

I heard that too, Anne....and Lee, I am a white woman too.

Anne, The Republicans did not cut "security" for the State Dept. Yes, the State Dept. budget was reduced--but not by the amount claimed-and not particularly for security. And the State Dept has the discretion to spend the money as they see fit. They could have used it for security instead of other things. Incidentally, Marines guard the embassy in Barbados. There are 88 security officers in Baghdad-yet there were only 5 at Benghazi. Chevy Volts have been purchased and a charging station of over $100,000 was built at the Vienna embassy. (They also had a champagne reception to celebrate)......The Republicans are not responsible for lack of security at Benghazi. Neither are they responsible for the lies told about the attack by the administration. They knew in "real time" that there was no protest.
Also, if you watched the hearings on Wednesday, Ms. Lamb (the head Security officer at State) was asked specifically if lack of money is the reason that additional security was not put in place in LIbya. Her answer was "no".

Plus the site that was attacked wasn't an embassy; it was a smaller consulate. Not that they shouldn't have had security, but the Reps did vote against that budget.

Clinton has made a statement that she takes full responsibility for the incident in Libya. I am positive the administration pressured her to say that. Incidently, State has over $2-Billion dollars squirreled away for security. Why did they not use some of it for Libya, especially in light of the requests for security from the embassy?

Anne, As I have and others on this thread have acknowledged the cuts, you need to understand that

* The State Dept under oath said budget cuts played NO role in the attack on Libya (other embassies saw increased spending).
* The State Dept has $2 B in unused funds for embassy security - maybe that's why those funds were cut? http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/10/issa-state-dept-sitting-on-billionplus-for-embassy-138402.html#.UH1FaqW1M-M.twitter

Knowing that State has over $2-Billion dollars for security purposes is plenty of reason to cut their budget!

Anne, are you really that dense??? State Department said money was not the object. Hillary Clinton (A WHAT? A DEMOCRAT!!!!) said that publicly and that she takes full responsibility. Will you PLEASE stop harping on the same stupid subject. For God's sake, close your mouth and open your eyes!

Church

I find this comment repulsive and am surprised it is allowed. If you wrote about any other religion I suspect the moderator would have shut this off. First, the Catholic Church has not burned women at the stake for hundreds of years. Joan of Arc was burned by the English Army in retaliation for her support for the French King against the English. The English used her voices with God as a reason to put her to death. Had she worn a dress, she would have been hung. Joan chose to continue in men's clothing because she wore that fighting against the English.
Besides your anti-Catholicism, you also use race in your writings. By the way, there was only one Christian Church at the time of Joan. Try to stick to facts and you might have better arguments. As it is, you make people like myself (who do not support either Obama or Romney) much more likely to vote as I can not abide liberals or conservatives who denigrate other religions and use race in their arguments to attack someone.

Anne, so now it's men, Republicans AND Catholics responsible for all your woes? Maybe time for you to come into the world as it is today and quit blaming ancient history for what is happening today. It's over! Learn from it but don't dwell on it. Instead try being active in the neighborhood; write to express your concerns to your elected officials; go visit your congressman and Senator! (PS- You probably should not express your views of Joan of Arc as reason for allowing abortions)
BTW, my personal views on the subject is that an abortion is between a woman and her God. A bunch of fat old white men in Washington have no reason to write laws either for or against the process, but just to make certain doctors adhere to the highest standards of quality, and ensure sterility of the workplace.

Of course it matters. When did money stop being the issue. Wake up. You just can't deal with the fact that you want to blame Obama . I am done talking to you. FYI, I was ALIVE during watergate and a voter.

Yes, "very disturbing".. even more disturbing had it been a Republican President that had not had a formal intell meeting in months, immediately "jumped to the conclusion" that the attack was neither terrorist nor premeditated, and only made a passing public comment before running off to campaign.

What happened to a real Commander in Chief that would immediately convene his best minds to determine what actually happened and put an action plan in place? After all it was an attack on our overseas consulate and four Americans were murdered!

But to Obama water carriers, it is merely “very disturbing” and lets investigate, but not too fast.

Stix--President Obama reads the PDB everyday like many of his predecessors The daily intel meetings were established by President Bush because he didn't want to read so much

Cathryn S.. I don't care how many PDB's Obama reads. When four Americans are murdered in a foreign country, a responsible executive does not run off to Vegas without first convening a meeting with his national security team to find out immediately what happened and to formulate an action plan for after he leaves.

And he and his admin does not immediately put out a false story to the American people hoping the real story that conflicts with his campaign narrative will not come out before the elections. Even liberals should understand that, as I would expect they would hold any Republican president to that same standard.

Brad L., most of us here have known that Anne’s reality check bounced…

To Brad and Joe, I've seen far worse comments, mainly from the right, on Patch than Anne's. She's entitled to her opinions just as you are and don't tell me she's not entitled to her own facts. She's calling it like sees it, as do you. To her and to me, Obama is not perfect, but he has not been a miserable failure. The Republican Congress with its determination to do anything to get him and their allegiance to Grover Norquist rather than the country is a major failure in my opinion. If the moderators, or editors, of Patch didn't shut down Don Joy and as I recall from other posts, Joe himself, they certainly shouldn't shut down Anne's. I see nothing wrong with her comments. You two simply disagree with her.

For Carol:

When one's opinions start to denigrate another religion and when one starts to use race as a basis for their opinion (as Anne did), then be it liberal or conservative, it is not respectful to others and should be cut off. You may disagree with the Catholic Church but stick to facts. Leave emotional baggage out of these conversations. Try to substitute Islam for Catholic and see if you would still write this.

Retired teacher, Anne may have gotten the time frame wrong but it is true that the Catholic church did those things, plus they ignored what Hitler was doing in Europe for quite a long time. I don't see any references to race in her postings other than to state that he is a black man, which he identifies himself as. And she did say it is difficult to get through to some white men, which I've have found to be true, in that since they have always been empowered in our culture, they have trouble understanding what it is like to be a woman of any color, African American, Hispanic, gay, etc. I shouldn't be speaking for her but I didn't have a problem with her comments. I'm sorry you did. I find it somewhat amazing that someone who leans right, as you appear to, takes exception to any mention of race when the right wing has dedicated Obama's entire presidency trying to prove he wasn't born here, isn't a citizen, and right wing Congressmen feel free to call him a liar at a joint session of Congress. Do you really think all of that would have been done had he been white (or "totally" white?

Carol,
Stop stereotyping people and institutions. Try to get closer to the present. As far as Nazi Germany is concerned, I think most nations and institutions did not take the Nazi threat as they should have. But your anti-Catholicism is a bit much. The leading church in Nazi Germany was not Catholic. Do you believe all practicing Catholics are right wing? (I haven't provided my opinion of abortion which I realize for many is the defining statement of any philosophy so please do not assume anything.) You suggest I am right wing because I don't like extreme liberals or extreme conservatives denigrating any religion or ethnic group. If this is right wing, what are you? Try not to smear people simply because they do not march in lock step with you. There are people who may actually be moderate in our country and who tend to look at issues without the help of the DNC or RNC. I believe civil discourse for all politicians, religions, ethnic groups, etc. is warranted. That is why I take exception to your recent post. This does not make me or others right wing. By the way, the Nazis and the Communists used to call all those who disagreed with them "names." I wish there were a viable Third party Candidate in this election to support. I actually like the word moderate.

Retired Teacher, I thought about my post and I realized that the Protestant church is guilty of crimes against women too, as when they burned them at the stake or dunked them for being witches. I'm not anti-Catholic, I was simply saying that there is some history of the Catholic church that Anne was correct about. The Church did know what was happening in Nazi Germany and did nothing for a long time; that is a fact and perhaps churches should be held to a higher standard than secular institutions. I don't believe all Catholics are right wing, I merely said that you seemed to be. If I was wrong about that, I apologize. I too prefer the term moderate. I don't think I called anyone a name. I gave you my assessment of some (not all certainly) white straight men who find it hard to identify with what life can be life in this country for those of us who are not white straight men. I believe Anne made her comment in reference to abortion. I doubt that any man can really understand what it can be like for a woman, or all the ramifications of denying us access to birth control or abortion.
I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intent. But your reaction to Anne's posts seemed a bit extreme to me, given some of the incivility and name calling that goes on here. I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it...as long as it is civil and accurate. And I repeat, I didn't call anyone a name. Peace.

Cheryl, of course Tommy Thompson's statement is racist. But in this highly charged election season, much worse is possible by both Republicans and Democrats. Biden's antics during the debate are a prime example.
What we need to do is try to work together to get America back to a position of strength. Neither Democrats or Republicans seem inclined to do so, so I am inclined to vote EVERY incumbent out of office, including Obama.

I disagree. She must certainly realize her comments are racist and offensive.

Cheryl, I would not blame you, but McCain is anything but the "far right." As for Palin, she would be pretty much out of the way as VP, so McCain would be able to administer as HE sought fit. The same with Romney. He will not echo the Tea Party if elected, but be a moderate conservative and Ryan will pretty much be on the sidelines. Joe Biden has not done anything too dumb (besides the debate). He is on the sidelines, being heard from only occassionally. Obama, on the other hand most definitely represents the "far, far left" and I do not feel comfortable with what he has done over the past four years. He needs to go, so someone else can try to do what he can't. As for the women's rights issues, Romney would face a firestorm from the populace if he starts digging too deep into those programs. We MUST do some serious cutting of government and Entitlements. The most expensive must go first, followed by others as jobs are created in the private sector. My first choice would be Department of Energy, that was started by Carter to stave off the high prices of OPEC oil. I would close them down so fast it would make their heads swim! They are a total waste of tax dollars.

I stand corrected about the Hyde Amendment. But I would say that public funds go to pay for a lot of things that some people are bound to oppose. I opposed the war in Iraq but my taxes went to support it.

Personally, I think women should be able to obtain abortion if they want. Just don't take my taxpayer dollars to pay for it.

As for Iraq, as the Wikileaks dump on Iraq showed, not only was Al Qaeda training in Iraq, there were WMD's found (in significant quantities too).

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/10/wikileaks_proves_wmd_found_in.html

This is why I say, the media in this country has become nothing more than an appendage of the Democratic party.

Considering the damage Obama/Biden have done to our economy, not to mention damaging our reputation in the Middle East to the point of encouraging the enemies of Israel, we can’t afford 4 more years of the Appeaser-In-Chief!

Cheryl obviously overlooks the eight month bombing of Libya led by this President which cost more than the failed Stimulus plan. Where's your outrage there?

BTW/ Gaddafi, for all his faults, did one thing remarkably well. He kept Al Qaeda out of Libya. The vast majority of Libyan rebels fighting against Gaddafi were Al Qaeda (why the hell did we back them?). Now that Gaddafi is gone, Al Qaeda is strong in Libya. This move to oust Gaddafi by the administration got Ambassador Stevens killed.

Lastly, it appears that the State Department is negotiating to stay in Afghanistan longer than 2014 as 'Crazy' Joe Biden claimed at the recent debate. So, did [GASP] Joe Biden lie about that too?

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s

Cheryl, what we really can’t afford is to allow the Libtards to decimate our military like Carter and Clinton did. Too many troops became casualties while we scrambled to properly re-equip our military after 9/11, after it was severely neglected, thanks to Clinton’s Peace Dividend.

"Remember, she resigned as Governor because it was "too hard."

Actually, her decision had been in the works for months and accelerated as it became clear that controversies and endless false ethics investigations were threatening her legislative agenda. "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration," was how a close confidant had put it. The Democrats had so ramped up attacks on Ms. Palin and so essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself.

She quit not because it was 'too hard.' Just like Sarah Palin never said 'I can see Russia from my house.'

What is this "47%" that everyone seems to be talking about?
Please explain "47%", what it means, where did it come from, and what is bad about it.

Uh, actually, Alaska does border on Russia. http://www.kawerak.org/tribalHomePages/diomede/index.html

However, you are forgiven your error, since a geographically-challenged follower of a man who thinks there are 58 states and people in Vienna speak Austrian should not be expected to have learned much in the NEA-poisoned American school system.

Cheryl, you criticize Romney / Ryan for their so called lack of experience, all the while conveniently omitting Obama’s lack or any accomplishment save that as a Community Leader. Ryan proved that he has a much greater grasp of the fiscal facts than Good Old Joe! Face it, at the rate Obama is piling on the National Debt, we simply cannot afford four more years! It’s time to put the adults in charge again.

Cheryl,
Obama stated that there were 57 states. He knew better--he just misspoke--as did Sarah Palin on North Korea. As for her statement about two foreign countries (I never heard that), her state did border Canada and also had fishing issues with Russia because of its proximity to Alaska. It was the media that turned that into a circus. She never said that she could "see Russia from my house." That was a quote on SNL nby Saturday Night Live. Some people confused Tina Fey with Sarah Palin. You might not agree with her view--but she is an intelligent woman. Isn't this what women's rights are about? The ability to follow your own path.

truthiness? Now you are inventing words?

Robert Morris, have you never heard of Stephen Colbert? He coined the phrase "truthiness".

Cheryl, quit looking at the media for your search for truth. It will not be there!

Robert Morris, where do you get your information?

Cheryl,
I am saying that the yahoo link was analysis and opinion. We all know that many things are looked at with a point of view--it depends on which angle you prefer. The things that I listed from Biden are pretty black or white.